2014-08-06

YG WINNER's Double Title Tracks 'EMPTY' and 'COLOR RING'

Source: Sports Donga via Naver


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1. [+1001, -187]  Did they not have any songs?  Or did they feel sorry for them?  What reason do they have for choosing B.I and Bobby to compose the title song out of all the composers they could've picked from... ㅋ

2. [+801, -57]  Does Yang Hyun Suk enjoy picking a fight with fans? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ What is this?  We've waited a year for this. 

3. [+686, -42]  It's surprising that Teddy only participated in one song this time around.  They're not changing YG's style rather they're just trying out new music colours!  I'll look forward to this!

4. [+600, -50]  Finally are they officially debuting?... ㅠ

5. [+564, -80]  Winner is finally debuting.  It's incredible for rookies to participate in the composing and lyrics writing for all of their album's songs.

6. [+181, -25]  I don't hate Team B.  I like them but it just doesn't feel right for their first debut title track to be composed and written by B.I and Bobby..

7. [+179, -38]  Yang Hyun Suk is favouring B.I over again ㅋㅋㅋ 

8. [+132, -18]  Bobby and B.I's lyrics and composing??  If that's how it's going to be, why don't you just debut them then?

9. [+171, -38]  Fuck, why the hell is B.I and Bobby tied into this, seriously ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ You should've just included Today and Olleri Golleri instead.  Why did you leave out good songs and put that in

10. [+127, -10]  Yang Hyunsuk enjoys fan wars, doesn't he?

11. [+119, -6]  God-like rookies who don't seem like rookies. 

12. [+117, -10]  It's a tracklist that we've been waiting for but...  why do I feel screwed over...  YG, I've had enough with you.

14. [+71, -4]  B.I and Bobby's composing and lyrics?  I'm confused whether I'm supposed to like this or hate this as a fan?  

13. [+103, -3]  They should have saved B.I and Bobby's song for Team B's own debut album...  As a Winner fan and thinking of it from Winner's perspective, I'm disappointed as it feels as if their chance to make their title song their very own has been taken away from them.  I've waited a long time for this and I feel so unwelcoming to the fact the first song I read was not by WINNER but composed and written by Team B members.  If I were to think of it from a Team B fan's point of view, I wouldn't be so welcome to the fact that another group would be singing a song that my artist wrote and composed themselves either.  Just what is YG intending to do?  We've waited such a long time and he doesn't even understand the fan's hearts.  ㅜㅜ

14. [+106, -7]  I'm looking forward to it but what about Kang Seungyoon's composing and lyrics?...

15. [+104, -15]  Why of all people would they have B.I and Bobby compose and write the title song?  What a joke.

18. [+78, -2]  To all the people hating on B.I here, listen~!  B.I is not in WINNER, he's in TEAM B!!!!  This is a WINNER article!!!!!

16. [+77, -1]  So it's a.... full album....

17. [+81, -7]  Wow, composing and writing the lyrics...  these rookies are amazing.  I can't wait for their new songs!! 

(Note: Will update upvotes/downvotes in a few hours.)

104 comments :

Lumiere said...

B.I and Bobby for the title song
the fuck yg seriosly

namutehyon said...

I'm sorry but this is a mess.

soluizb said...

9. [+171, -38]  Fuck, why the hell is B.I and Bobby tied into this, seriously ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ You should've just included Today and Olleri Golleri instead.  Why did you leave out good songs and put that in

Because the new songs are way better obviously

berries said...

I tried so hard not to hate double b. Because of you YG it's so hard for me to like them. Fuck you, YG.

WIN said...

I`m just laughing at their hating comments, it`s just so LOL They didn`t know that YG don`t do song TITLE if this song is worst than others? If he chose that song as title it`s means that song is better than others. I like Team and Winner, and seeing so much hating comments from Winner fans just makes me laugh. It`s so childish XD

gzbitch said...

Winner fans getting upset about Double B's involvement. Team B fans mocking Winner fans saying, "Winner couldn't compose their own title track."

MESS.

-- said...

people hating double b just because they are taking part of composition lmao


i am thinking this is just yg marketing. because of double b i am willing to listen winner's track and download them.
i am proud of double b. they stepped up even though they lost they are doing producing for their labelmates/friends WINNER.

pyono said...

YG doesn't make any sense. think of it from a winner fan's POV. we've waited for this FOR MONTHS ON END and the first thing we see is "composed by B.I, lyrics by Bobby, lyrics by B.I, for B.I, by B.I, in collboration with Bobbyalgjajagljeg like what the fuck?

ramenboy said...

Bobby on SMTM- "Fuck YG"


This is not helping B.I. at all. Don't you see all the hate he's getting from that show you sent him too.


YG gives 0 fucks about the fans.

oreos said...

it's true! lol. I'm sorry i'm not even that into WIN/ Winner or what ever lol but it's true! This is history repeating itself. YG is shoving his faves down people's throats. It's laughable that he gave BI & Bobby the title tracks for Winners debut album and this is coming from an objective stand point.

YG is making his favoritism clear. No matter how good the song is (and i'm sure it must be), you don't make it the title track for the rival group. What's is he trying to do? and yes they are rivals because that's how YG made it. Let's not pretend...

couer said...

If this song composed by BI and Bobby becomes a hit, i'm sure this winner fans would thank them. I don't see any problem with them composing. What if the song was really good that YG decided to used it as winner's title track? It is not as if BI and Bobby will perform it duh. Some of the fans are getting ridiculous. Too much jealousy is not good for youe health.

LoveTabi said...

I don't care what y'all say I'm piss off

oreos said...

He takes the piss lmao

Olala said...

im not hating on double B but this is too much yg's biasness is really obvious... title track REALLY ?! why not another song of the album.. it looks like they even cant compose title track so bobby and bi made it for them

justjuliet said...

I get why theyre angry because if the song gets popular its basically promotion for B.I and Bobby, and theyre the inews to get the public's respect for writing the song. So vasically WINNER would just be seen as the puppets who sang it, they wont get to showcase their own musical ability to the public.

Damn said...

This is all just a huge mess which could have been easily avoided... I don't know what the hell YG is thinking.

Tâm Thảo Nguyễn said...

I'm an OT11 fan and I'm okay with B.I and Bobby involve with this but I can understand why Winner's fans are pissed off.I mean they waited for a long year and the first ever tittle track which will mark Winner's name from now on is from Team B's members .YG can pick anything else but no,he pick B.i and Bobby's song.Seriously................ http://37.media.tumblr.com/4b7eaa4498c529ebc02c3dd68260b6b2/tumblr_mywjm3Hlz61smipaso3_500.gif

connie said...

What most don't understand is of all the composers there are in YGE who could've contributed, why BI and Bobby specifically.

Lumiere said...

don't worry team b fans are already working and leaving demeaning comments also

Lol said...

Fuckkkk imagine Winner winning with this title track and they actually have to THANK B.I and Bobby for composing and writing the lyrics. This whole thing is crazy.

oreos said...

This is YG's plan. Hence why he gave them the title track (usually does the best).

Lumiere said...

team b fans are already mocking winner i just came here after reading ' look at our boys composing for those suckers'
the titles will be compared and it's an overall mess that shouldn't happen with this debut
all the attention should be an winner and fans should enjoy not dodge attacks

Hanbin_BonBon said...

And YG be like "get me popcorn" hahahahah this is pure marketing. Winner and Team B fans will buy this album. I see the double profit here. Yas my baby Hanbin♥

soluizb said...

Anybody that can produce in yg is a producer too.

couer said...

Huh? Puppets? What kind of thinking is that? Yeah they'll get recognition but all the promotion would be solely on Winner. I don't see any problem with that. For me a musical abiliity is not mainly due to composing, the interpretation of the song is important too. It is not as if when the song is played, people would always think of Bi and Bobby not winner.

gzbitch said...

If only YG would stop pushing his faves down our throats. Double B is talented; we get it. But fuck you.

Hanbin_BonBon said...

Of course it wud be a rly good song. Yo know YG. Even their non title track sometimes worth being a title track. Let them live with the jalousy..haha

gzbitch said...

It could've been okay if it's a side track but damn.

connie said...

And thats exactly part of the reason why fans are disappointed. Winner is forever associated with WIN and Team B. This debut is the long awaited opportunity for Winner and the fans to start a new era but it ends up repeating the exact cause of friction between the 2 fandoms. It's regrettable what YG is doing.

Sillage said...

Are we gonna just push aside the very much echoed notion that YG doesn't give two shits who wrote or composed a song. If It isn't good it's not getting on the album let alone a title release. Please this is just ridiculous you guys need to be a little more mature than that. They are label mates for god sakes.

Also your doing the stanning thing all wrong because you should rejoice at the fact that this may be the first kpop idol group to debut with a completely self composed album. SMH

soluizb said...

People are pissing themselves because its a "title" track. Lets be honest here. Even if its not a title track the response will be the same

Lumiere said...

jealousy- the go to excuse for kpop fans
not every thing is about jealousy or that simple

couer said...

Probably because some winner fans mocked BI and Bobby too. I really don't get some fans. Why can't they just enjoy the music? You know YG should have debuted both this group so no fanwars. In the end, it is all Yg' s fault.

justjuliet said...

But its also because YG seems to find a way to include team B in everything WINNER's been doing. Plus idols always get love when
People find out they wrote the sog (e.g. gd and ha:tfelt's aint nobody) so basically this is a missed opportunity for WINNER to get musical recognition from the public that will only ever look at the title song and be like oooh "who's this written by? B.I?! Wow!" It'll make WINNER seem as if they arent talented enough to write their own songs, especially in a company where the songs are written by the artist singing it himself.

WINNER wont get called shit idols for this, but its a missed opportunity to seem above the idols they're competing with right now.

Lumiere said...

it is YG fault..nobody is blaming double b
and i sincerely don't understand his reasons.He is pushing the fandoms to compete when Yg fandoms where all about supporting each other

kbbon said...

[+71, -4] B.I and Bobby's composing and lyrics? I'm confused whether I'm supposed to like this or hate this as a fan?

Lol. Yes Now i can really see why people are saying YG is a genius

Ray Rai said...

Why winner have so many things to complain..i dont stan winner or team be but..yg is not a charity company and yg is busniessman he will choose a song who he think will make money...i find it beautiful few month ago they fighting with each other now they are helping each other...seriously winner fan should stop whining..

oreos said...

I don't get why fans don't get this. Especially when one artist composes a lot for other artists, this is exactly what happens. It's not "aww so sweet he composed for them" lmao. That's exactly the opportunity any artist would want, because as you said, it earns them that respect & recognition.

YG always makes his favorites compose the most for all the rest of his artists. Instead of given the others the chance & practice to develop themselves.

Lumiere said...

actually with Yg all is about who who wrote or composed a song.That is how they build their groups value and the artists image.That was what set them apart.If winner is debuting as a separated group with a new concept on their own feet.Why attach separate things from their past to this new image?

justjuliet said...

I geniunily think YG is creating this feud on purpose, it'll make the fans more passionate about their group and compete. They're basically pulling an SM with how each group within the company have a rivalary. Its so sad because as a VIP and blackjack, i welcoe both team b and WINNER, and i hope the fans of those groups see that YG is doing this on puropse and that this isnt both of the groups' faults.

Ignis Invictus said...

Ah, so true.

Ignis Invictus said...

Because saying "thank you" is a bad thing?

rhiaresa said...

It's just one song like damn

justjuliet said...

It's as if you don't agree with something, it means you're jealous because that's the only emotion possible.

This is not about jealousy, it's about missed opportunities for WINNER and frustration over the obvious YG favourtism (which has been going on for years.)

I like both team B and winner, and I hope the fan's can rise above YG's childishness.

kbbon said...

That 1 song just happens to be one that will get an MV and played over and over again through the entire promotion
The credits at the ends go to. not . the group that YG boasts as having 3 composers

renai said...

don't get the immature fanwar...both team B and Winner are benefiting one another's success...YG is promoting team B and preparing them for debut by involving them in Winner's album. He obviously wants both groups to reach their potential and become successful even as composers/producers. The fanwars really aren't helping either teams.

rhiaresa said...

Ok but are we just going to completely forget about the other title track? the album is filled with songs that are written by the three members so yes they do still get royalties from it.

Lumiere said...

this is their debut and the expectations are high...they have to build a name and an image for themselves.This is no time to promote another group.I can already see the comparisons and the word flop thrown at them if they don't top charts why is Yg. is it so hard to understand that fans or possible fans want to enjoy winner and winner alone?

rhiaresa said...

I'm so over this. The competition has been over for a year and fans have got to accept they are friends.

Ignis Invictus said...

They will not flop. There is a reason why it took long for them to debut. Besides, this whole reaction proves YG is right. YG stans are divided into WINNER and TB fans. What better way to get them to rally together than this? TB fans have no choice but to check WINNER out too and root for them.

Princess said...

I dont get the hate for B.I and Bobby for writting the title track tho.. Mino is also writting that tittle track..

Lumiere said...

possibly because there is no hate towards them..showing displeasure for Yg decisions doesn't translate to hate.Hate is the word overzealous kpop fans use when someone doesn't agree with everything their bias does.
Of course mino should write stuff.He is indeed a part of winner and this is their debut

Sillage said...

Part of the reason I cannot see logic in stanning a company is because most of the time arguments are so inconsistent: made to appease to the side the person takes.


But yea, I get what you mean, it's just that this is the most popular notion used here and tbh the actual ability of the members to compose in a group and the stake of how much money they are responsible in bringing for the company might make one think your statement is true on a superficial level and the same time might be truly with the fact that YG goes for songs that stand well digitally and therefore needs a completely different cut than fillers or those that get tossed aside.

Lumiere said...

u really think that YG did this because they didn't have a better song ? ok.Your opinion and i respect it.To me it's much more than that as i stated already

kbbon said...

The key word is Title track. One is promoted and heard by the mass while others aren't
This was the chance that even the members themselves were fighting over to make it the Title. If it was not up to par it would make more sense if it goes to one of the experienced YG in-house producers. Instead it goes to other members who are not even in their team. Hence fans feel "screwed over" for the Winner members

P.s.I'm just trying to present the Point of View of Winner and their fans, and hopefully some can empathize a little of why the fans are dissapointed.simply bc they expected a lot after all this time that they will get solely only Winner.

rhiaresa said...

YG : "When team b debuts, they can get a help from Winner. I hope ppl see this as a collaboration btw yg fam. I hope fans don't misunderstand"

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

Yea usually the title track he chose will end up doing better than the track his artists chose.

Sillage said...

'YG did this because they didn't have a better son '



I simply said this is the general YG notion: whats best get's aired. How in the world am I supposed to know if the track truly translates best as a title track; the album isn't out yet . . .

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

He probably thought including double B song will gain more support from team B fans.

Princess said...

Am I reading it wrong or whoaaa the shade.

"He is indeed a part of winner and this is their debut"

Okay I get it, Winner should write their own album. Go home PK, go home dee.p~

I sound so immature, I know.. but really, why tho?
For me, being a YG fans for too long, I'm this close to choke YG's throat demanding for Winner debut. And they finally (hopefully) th debut details came out, I feel like.. EFFIN FINALLY YG.

Lumiere said...

i think your problem is that u see everything as an attack to team b.no that was not shade

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

Did Team B fans mock Winner?A lot of team b fans actually support Winner,they will probably buy the song.

Princess said...

Maybe. But maybe not.
Yes I'm a fans of team B (well Winner fans too, ot11 here)
Maybe it's because I like them all and not siding to one side only. So when this poster came out I was like.. YASSS HALELUYAH!!

It's like having a burger with salad. Yasss to burger, yassss to salad, they should marry each other and their kid will be my new fav dish.

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

Please dont.This is not like double B fault and they have no control over this whole thing. It is like ppl dont like a group bc of their fans.

Lumiere said...

and if someone wants just the salad or just the burger i think that decision should be respected too

rhiaresa said...

Ok I get it but I'm not here for fans complaining about 2 dudes writing songs for them.

macy_12 said...

no one OH, there are plenty of Team B fans mocking. smh

Lumiere said...

English is not my first language and i really have a hard time trying to express my ideas.The things Yg has producers who work on songs constantly and probably have already a few in their vault.I doubt that song was the only good song in yg at that time and double b was their last resort.For me it's bigger then that

macy_12 said...

this is indeed a mess. not gonna lie, I'm pretty ticked off but who knows what the circumstances were, maybe YG saw it from Team B & stole it? idk but what happened to all of YG's boasting about WINNER's talents to only have one of their title songs be made by them & by Double B.
this is honestly a good strategy to promote Team B, but a low blow to WINNER fans. i guess we're being a little selfish & immature but the continuous push back has really sent many over the edge even myself, wrong move by YG to be doing promotional tactics.
it's great but i wont shut up if the same tactic isn't used on Team B, the continuous push back & WINNER's name on one of their title songs.
the only thing calming me down is that aside from that title track, EVERYTHING else has WINNER's name all over it.

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

the number of Team B fans support Winner>>>>>those who mock Winner. The biggest Taiwan Team B fanpage is supporting Winner debut and the title track bc of their brotherhood.
There are always immature fans so I hope Winner fans dont generalize that Team B fandom is mocking Winner.

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

chill. I'm very sure that Winner will shine and even nominated in the year end Rookie awards. Winner has 9 songs they produced so of course they will definitely shine. Whether YG shoving Team B to WInner faces or not, I think we have to understand these 2 groups are the future of his company so of course he will do anything to not let their hype down.
If you chill and open your heart more to double B, then you will find them just as adorable as Winner boys and the brotherhood of these 2 groups are cute and warm.

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

Personally I think it is even hard for double B. If the title track flop, fans will blame it on Double B. If the track do well, you guys are mad that Winner have to 'thank' them or share the spotlight.
I hope you know that you can ENJOY Winner alone bc Winner is the one who is going to promote and perform,not double B. When people listen to this song, people will think about Winner,not double B.Besides, Winner have 9 more songs to show their composing talent.

berries said...

Ok

berries said...

I just want to see someday when team b make their debut there will be a title track composed by SY/MH/TH/SH. If there's a title track composed by them then I can stop talking about YG's favoritism.

DirtyEyedGirl said...

To be honest, winner fans (including me) are more pressed than team b fans. Lets not blame them for nothing

Lumiere said...

mmm really curios what articles Yg will put out. i'm sure he will not leave it alone.and then i will see if i can really enjoy winner alone or the shoving continues

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

Yea the competition has been over for a year so stop making them like the biggest rival for each other. Both of these groups have to rival tons of groups outside of YG so stop making unnecessary conspiracy theories.
I wonder if fans will be this mad if AKMU or CL or GD is the one who co-compose a song for Winner instead of double B.

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

Idg why you have to use the mediaplay article to decide whether you will enjoy a group or not. The mediaplay article means nothing bc people will only judge them via the quality of their album,their personalities and their live performances.

rhiaresa said...

Honestly tho, I'm tired of all the negativity that comes with Team B being mentioned with Winner. It's literally ONE song and it wasn't just Bobby and B.I that wrote the song but it's also Mino. They are all probably celebrating this but some fans gotta be all so fucking petty. I am not here for that.

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

I found nothing to be pressed. Even if KSY/MINO/Taehyun is the one who compose for team B title track, i wont be pressed bc this is how YG runs his company. I'm not kissing YG ass, it is not a rare case that he will put a track produced by A idol in the album of B idol or C group.

Bald Mr.Worldwide said...

Honestly if they want to make conspiracy theories, then wouldnt Team B fans also can make one? I mean they can say that double B could be upset that they have to give the track they composed to winner, just like how GD felt when he thought he can make 'Lies' as his solo.
In conclusion, it will never bring advantages to both groups if they keep thinking negatively.

vkguin said...

YG just proven that WIN will be forever a shadow of WINNER even w/ their debut. . Anyways, . Can YG Press compile anything about people's feedbacks about Winner's songs in the Launching?? pls :(

Lumiere said...

well this debut or comeback in general has many aspects and i can choose which one to enjoy.if i find articles like that disturbing then i find them disturbing.if they cloud this experience then i will express that.I don't really get what are u trying to say. it's fine for u so ok?

Guest said...

Pls stop dragging team b to this precious winner debut

Amanda Rachel said...

YG Family support each other.

Amanda Rachel said...

YG Fandom is a great fandom. Please don't be like other fandom. Let's support each other whether it was Psy, Se7en, Epik High, BigBang, 2NE1, Lee Hi, AKMU, WINNER, Team B, girl group trainee or other male trainee. Love is the best solution. Why we gave hate when we do not even give enough love.

kiym said...

Though this is a mess, I trust yg for choosing the best songs as title

SAN_SM said...

Putting it as one of the title tracks is his assurance that fans will have to buy it on-line to procure points for music charts because some don't usually buy the whole album- only the tracks they like thus making those tracks chart higher and longer than the other tracks in the album.

DirtyEyedGirl said...

I'm with you
lol I was replying to the one above you my bad

minhoormino said...

Why is everyone hating? Why make such a fuss because B.I and Bobby write the song? GD wrote songs for Taeyang etc, whats the difference? YG family supports each other. Just because they were once rivals doesn't mean they can't stay friends and work/help each other.

connie said...

This sums up what fans have been feeling since that really show basically. If only Winner and their fans can have just 1 moment where they can be happy without feeling screwed over the last 9 months, there wouldn't be as much disappointment today.
Im interested in seeing if YG will give the same treatment once Team B debuts because I hope team B fans know this feeling

kbbon said...

That, or it can be anything that benefits his business. YG is all about quality but if he chose quality from a soon-to-be-debut trainee (note: winner has been advertised non-stop as composers and this is their debut: the first time they are introduced to the public- all of else they should be given the first priority to the title track) in place of an experienced professional then there are other reasons factored in his decision.

kiym said...

it might benefit his business but honestly i dont think yg would risk making it a TITLE song just because double b wrote it, it must be good... yg is a troll but he's not stupid. but oh well who knows, we'll see today!!!! im so excited^^

kiym said...

yeah i love yg family because vips, blackjacks, etc. are mostly yg stans in general. i hope we'll get over this whole Inner Circle vs B-Golds thing

zenny_bb said...

Question... did you vote for Team A?

zenny_bb said...

To those who didn't vote for Team A to win will never understand the frustration Winner fans are feeling. Don't force us to like what we dislike.

rhiaresa said...

Neither. I didn't vote for Winner or Team B. I applaud fans dedication for voting and all that but we all knew who was going to win anyways.

VKA. said...

leave it to kpop fans to take something positive (team b members and winner coming together, helping eachother now) into something negative. it's one song.. you guys are ruining the excitement of their debut with your petty bs and being mad is not going to change anything so stop with the negativity and just support winner's debut.

Meh said...

Do people not realize how much money BI and Bobby are about to make?
Dammmmnnn

Anyways I'm really hoping they hit daebak

wenify said...

I voted for Team B during WIN but I'm supporting WINNER now as they debut...no need to bash each other...just support and wish each other group success

TY said...

YG isn't satisfied with Team A's songs that's why he chose Bobby and BI's composing. YG wanted to debut Team B from the start but since WIN TV made Team A the winner... It felt like he had no choice. If he debuts Team B even if Team A won, the people who voted for Team A (voting included money) will probably sue them. Most of YG Family likes Team B.




--- This is what I think! I've been Team A from the start and this is my theory after watching WIN TV again and Winner TV.

Blank said...

Me too. Honestly, I don't see alot of TB fans complaining about it, we're just excited to hear the song and I see some of aces complaining on nb and twitter but it's not like they made their songs themselves? mino and pk also helped and i see ppl judging the song before it's released like they're worried it's gonna be plagiarized or they are saying the double b composition sucks (trust me i saw this comments with retweets). When can we ever break the rivalry between TB and TA fans? We're still just fighting among ourselves. If WINNER approved of the song, I'm fine with it. It's not like they're against it.

Blank said...

so if it's GD, you'll be fine with it? Maybe they want to break the rivalry between TA AND TB but it seems that they are creating even more hatred.

ILOVEIKON said...

BI compose this song for IKON, but since YG thought that Empty fit better with Winner than IKON, he gave the song to Winner. Look up Winner's interview in ELLE Magazine because they explain why BI's song was used as their title track. I don't think that BI really had a choice to deny YG, so don't hate BI, because if it was his choice the song would have gone to IKON instead of Winner.

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